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UTICA COLLEGE – TV : What is the MPS in Cyber Policy and Risk Analysis degree at Utica College?

Dr. Austen Givens, Professor of Cybersecurity discusses the MPS in Cyber Policy and Risk Analysis program with UCTV Host, Dr. James Norrie, in this video. Dr. Givens gives a detailed description of the Cyber Policy field, who might find this program most beneficial, emerging trends and issues in the industry, and the Cyber Policy career opportunities and job outlook.

Video Transcript: What is the MPS in Cyber Policy and Risk Analysis
degree at Utica College?


Dr. Norrie: Welcome back to UCTV. My name is Dr. James Norrie. I have the privilege of being the dean of business and justice studies and I have a really wonderful colleague, very interesting colleague with us today, and a repeat guest. He's been here before, Dr. Austen Givens. And I think just recently, you completed your PhD.

Dr. Austen Givens: I completed my PhD at King's College London in the United Kingdom.

Dr. Norrie: Wow! And what made you choose the UK for your studies?

Dr. Austen Givens: It's very interesting. It was a combination of academic rigor, scheduling flexibility, but more than anything else, I would say it was my desire to continue working at Utica College. I began teaching here in 2011 on a part-time basis, and recently was brought on board full-time. And I found that to be a very valuable help in carrying out my own research. So there really was a synergy between my PhD studies and my teaching here.

Dr. Norrie: Boy, this is an interesting time to be in our field, right? Cybersecurity and Cyber-Policy, the issues of jurisdiction and geopolitics. I mean, there is so much that you and I could talk about. We could do episodes, episodes, and episodes. But today, I want to focus on this distinction between those who are practicing perhaps in cybersecurity at a technical level, and those that are perhaps seeking our new graduate program, our master's, an MPS Master's in Cybersecurity Policy. So tell me a little bit about that and what's going on in the world?

Dr. Austen Givens: Sure. There are two different ways at least that I see one could think about this. Technically inclined students, people who may be programmers and network engineers, I would suspect would naturally gravitate toward our MS in Cybersecurity program. However, if you have an interest in cybersecurity but don't feel that you're very technically inclined or don't naturally gravitate toward technical topics, then the MPS in Cyber Policy might be a better fit for you. But that being said, there's also a natural crossover that occurs very frequently in both government and the private sector. And that is, people will start out in very technical roles but over time as the ascend the ranks, they find themselves managing people, and budgets, and strategy. And so for a person who finds themselves in that sort of position, the MPS might, in fact, be a better fit as they move on to increasingly senior leadership positions.

Dr. Norrie: Great. Now, this is a very emergent area. You and I both study this. The whole issue of the confluence of law and policy as it applies to very complex cyber questions seems to me to be the topics of the future. What are the kinds of treatments of these topics one would expect in our new MPS degree?

Dr. Austen Givens: It's fascinating. So, one topic that might be discussed is the development of international norms related to cyber-warfare. Currently, those norms are being written as we go. There have been efforts made so far by both scholars, as well as professional researchers, to try to develop rules of the game. And thus far, I think the best body of knowledge we have is something called The Tallinn Manual. This was produced in 2009 in Estonia by NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. It's really, for the first time, an international governing document that discusses how cyberwarfare should occur. But that being said, there's a lot of deviation from those norms, too. We've seen great bodies of evidence that Iran, China, among others, have been using cyber-attacks and data breaches as a means to advance their own national foreign policy agendas. And it's very reasonable for us to expect to continue to see that trend. So these are just a few of the examples of different types of topics a student could expect to encounter in our cyber-policy courses.

Dr. Norrie: Great. So, a student entering our graduate programs they are master's level courses, of course for students who are thinking about career opportunities, where do you think that the cyber-policy field could take them, in terms of career opportunity?

Dr. Austen Givens: That's an excellent question. For a person who is pursuing the master's in cyber-policy, they could find themselves either in government at local, state, or a federal level, as well as in the private sector, whether it's for a small firm or for a national Fortune 500 type of enterprise. The fact remains that as long as there are technicians and more technically inclined people working in cybersecurity, those folks will need people to supervise them, to allocate their budgets, to set strategy for the organization, and also have a sense of how that strategy fits into a larger organizational picture. We need good people who can navigate those different forces and really shape the future of cybersecurity from a management and leadership standpoint. So if a person kind of sees themselves in that vein, then I definitely encourage them to check out our MPS in cyber-policy program. However, if a person, as I said earlier, is a bit more technically inclined, enjoys things like programming, wrestling with data, then the MS in cybersecurity might be a good fit for them. But there, too, I would say the job outlook is tremendous. There is double digit, year-over-year growth in this profession, regardless of whether one chooses the management/leadership track, or one chooses the more technical track with our MS in cybersecurity program. Both are worthwhile. Both are rewarding.

Dr. Norrie: Thanks for joining me, Austen, always great to see you here on the program. If you're interested in learning more about either of our cybersecurity programs, our MS or our brand new MPS in Cyber Policy & Risk Analysis, you can find out more information at Thanks for joining us, and have a great day.


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